Rebooting the News #45

In Podcast on March 22, 2010 by Dave Winer

Jay was sick today so I scrambled and got the great Jonathan Glick to fill his chair in the studio.

Glick started his career at iVillage then became the chief technical guy at the NY Times under Martin Nisenholtz. We worked together then but didn’t know each other. After several stops he’s now landed as CEO of a startup called TLists. (If Scoble doesn’t already know about them, he will soon!)

In today’s podcast we talked about Internet platforms and the struggles small vendors to co-exist and vendors to be fair. TLists exists in Twitter’s ecosystem. It was a hot discussion and left many questions unanswered. Hope to have Jon on the show again (and this is a reminder that we should try to rotate through the founders of some of NY’s new crop of tech CEOs, they’re all interesting people).

And to Jay –> Hope you feel better sooon! (Everyone seems to get sick after SXSW.)

4 Responses to “Rebooting the News #45”

  1. “I feel that freedom is so much more important, I would give features for freedom.” – Dave Winer

    Pretty much exactly what Richard Stallman has spent his life saying and working for. The best way to get freedom, and give freedom to others, is to use free software and help to develop free software.

  2. I thinks it’s a keeper too bc you (DW) was very elaborate about platforms with examples and facts.


    =The issue of new features [for Twitter].=
    How do you draw a line in the sand? An impossible to solve problem when a platform is closed/controlled by one interest holder. The ones who own the platform and have an fiduciary responsibility towards their investors ($150m). Venture capital backing of any kind includes a rule of thumb, that this platform/product/company has to make money for them – not people who build on-top of this platform. They comes third, after the user itself.

    A situation where it ever worked, where the expansion of the whole ecosystem was put first as priority, is where there is not ‘platform vendor’.

    “As soon as you have a company that is the owner of the platform, it eventually hits this wall. Super hard, and everybody is angry at everybody else. And things really stops working.” (DW)

    ‘Giving it away might be the solution.’ Open source way.

    “How would you apply the Winerian theory of openness to an experience like the iPad or iPhone?” (JG)

    “You basically make a piece of hardware, and you make your money off of price, performance, and service. In other words, you have the best price [value proposition], the thing performs like bad [ass], and when somebody has a problem, you deal with it in a very ethical, fair, and friendly way. That is the way to earn a living in the technology business. Anything else, you are cutting corners. And you are going to pay for it [eventually in the long-term].

    The way Apple pays for it, is with complacency amongst their developers.” (DW)

    Means, they could do much more (utilize it more) when the damn things were open and not controlled what happens on the device by Apple. With more utilization, more device units sold.

    “You have to try to do it. […] There is no reason not to do it.” (DW)

    i.e. # The Internet # – BUG is a modular, open source system for building devices.

    ‘You can’t get ever in the business (capitalistic market) and being moral, making moral judgments about these things. That’s why the whole issue about being not evil is crap. Because you can never get there. You can’t. The problem is structurally (capitalistic market, fiduciary responsibility, economic laws of profit maximization, the invisible hand). On the Internet, which is open to everyone to develop on-top of it, you eventually hit these wall, no matter what.’ (DW)

    ‘I am for incrementalism, and I fight for it.’ (JW)

    ‘Whole markets controlled by companies, will hit eventually a wall’ (DW)

    “I feel that freedom is so much more important, I would give features for freedom.” – Dave Winer

    Thanks for this great hour, hope Jonathan Glick (JW) joins in again. Or an apps developer for iPhone or Android.

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